Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

1936 116-122 Cabinet Restoration
#1

I'm restoring this cabinet and this is the first time I've had it under a good light. I noticed that the veneer is cracking on both of the curved sides. I know I could always replace the veneer, but that is beyond my capability right now. Would just filling it with grain filler, then sand it, then move on in the finishing process work?

What you you do and have you ever encountered this before and what was done to fix/make it acceptable?

Thanks

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...4wq2rn.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...ronxzk.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...ckdtpl.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...91r4bv.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...vrbt10.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...zd3rsh.jpg]

Crist
#2

Anybody know what kind of veneer this is. I need a small piece for a repair.

Thanks.

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...x20fc8.jpg]

Crist
#3

Hello Crist, you cant do much on the cracking veneer without replacing it and it doesn't look that bad, once its stripped and sanded I would use wood filler that you got at Elliot's hardware then do your grain filler. The missing veneer looks like mahogany same as what its next to except at deferent angel Icon_wave Icon_wave
#4

(10-18-2015, 07:47 PM)Crist Rigotti Wrote:  Anybody know what kind of veneer this is.  I need a small piece for a repair.

Thanks.

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...x20fc8.jpg]

Hi;
  I would go to the Constantine's website, have a look at their gallery, and compare the grain and colour, but strip a section off first so you can see the true colour. I don't think it's mahogany, but possibly eucalyptus. Philco liked to use a lot of quarter sawn French walnut veneer in their cabinets from the 1936-42 period, and French walnut in general, but used things like Zebrano and other exotic woods for banding. The only way to know for sure is to find an original ad or pamphlet describing what veneers were used which there may be for a 116X.
Regards
Arran
#5

In Arlington there is a wood workers store named Rocklers. I went in today and looked over their veneer for this repair. I chose some Flaky Quarter Sawn Oak Veneer. I got a pack of pieces 12 inches long by about 5 inches. When I got home I picked a small piece to test. I used some Mohawk Medium Walnut grain filler to fill the grain and bring out the real grain pattern. Then sanded it some. The pictures tell the story. While the grain is a bit larger than what I really need, I'll find a section of veneer that has a tight grain pattern and use it. I think it will work out real well.

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...5qf9iu.jpg]

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...pyg8gl.jpg]

Crist
#6

 No, it was definitely not oak that they used originally. Here is a link to a photo gallery of various veneer species, Constantine's gallery is just not what it used to be unless I'm looking in the wrong part of their website, this is from another website:

http://www.crownveneer.com/gallery-all-cuts

And here is another, they have it arranged alphabetically, click on one and they have a gallery for each species:

http://www.veneersupplies.com/categories...__A__-__G/

Regards
Arran
#7

Arran,

I know it wasn't Oak. But I thought it might be close. Looking at the links to the samples, I think Anigre wood might work well too. Might just take another drive up to Rocklers to have another look.

Crist
#8

According to the attached ad 'exquisitely figured butt walnut' was among the types used on the 116x.


Attached Files Image(s)
   
#9

Nathan,
Thanks for the ad. Would there be a way to email a hi-res copy of it?

Thanks

I think the butt Walnut might be referred to the center panel with all the controls.

On ARF somebody suggested that it was Walnut and nothing special. However the inlays are of a lighter color wood. the grain does match Walnut though. I'm soaking a small piece of walnut veneer I harvested off another cabinet in some bleach to see if I can lighten it up. I did 1 piece last night and let it soak overnight. all I had this morning was some very thin "skins" of a beautiful grain pattern. The 2nd piece is soaking as I type and I'm keeping an eye on it. I wonder if I can get some "blonde" walnut?

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...smxehw.jpg]

Crist
#10

Ah - you're probably right about the butt walnut being that center part. Could the piece you're replacing be French/European walnut? American walnut is typically darker.

Personally I like having an ad to go with each of my display radios but unfortunately I don't actually own this ad - I stole the pic from an eBay listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Philco-116X...1577168055

It can be your very own for just $9.99 plus shipping! Icon_smile
#11

I have the cabinet all stripped and now working on filling the dents, then on to repairing the veneer.

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...pryd2x.jpg]

Crist
#12

I repaired the dents, scratches, and the veneer. I applied the grain filler, sanded it down, then stained it. I then went over it with some toner. Next I'll do the black inside, then the dark brown trim, then sealer, then top coats.

I do have another question about the cabinet though. It concerns the dial cover. It seems I'm missing a small rectangular tan piece that goes onto the backside of the glass dial cover for the shadow meter. Can anybody give me some details on this little piece of plastic? How is it attached to the glass dial cover? I've seen pictures of the backside of a 116X cabinet and I can see the tan colored plastic on the back of the dial glass but can't make out any details on how it is attached.

Thanks.

Crist
#13

A+
fantastic job Bud!

ME

Times I have been electrocuted in 2021
As of 1/01/2021
AC: 4 DC: 1
Last year: 6
#14

I found this ad in some of my grandfathers things for your radio


Attached Files Image(s)
   

Times I have been electrocuted in 2021
As of 1/01/2021
AC: 4 DC: 1
Last year: 6
#15

Thanks for the kind words.
That is a neat ad! Would it be possible to get a hi-res scan of it emailed to me?

I realized that I haven't included a picture of the cabinet so far, so here it is.

[Image: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458...r5zccu.jpg]

Crist




Users browsing this thread: 12 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
1930s Stewart-Warner Tombstone Radio need help identifying model number
UPDATE: I was able to pick up a signal generator on the cheap (amazingly enough) on feebay and I did an IF alignment fol...captainclock1988 — 09:53 AM
Philco 91 Schematic
Hi Rod, The resistor connects to pin 4 and the ungrounded side of block 9. From pin 9 of the RF tube to one side of ...dconant — 09:34 AM
Just got a 49-1613 need to know...everything!
I just found your post. I have this exact same model, and have had it since 1985 when I was 15 years old! I performed a ...MuzzcoVW — 09:11 AM
B&K 1077B no video
Hello Tim, I would if it's a leaky Capacitor So are all 3 of those B- voltages low then ? Sincerely Richardradiorich — 01:55 AM
B&K 1077B no video
I found a schematic and think I have the problem traced down to the minus power supply. I have very low voltages that go...TV MAN — 12:41 AM
RCA 15X
I'd try replacing the bulb first and if that doesn't do it, then change the 35Z5 and see if the problem goes away.NostalgiaRadioTime — 12:28 AM
B&K 1077B no video
Hello Tim, I have that exact unit in my shop too plus a Sencore unit there are times I like one or other !!. Sincerely...radiorich — 11:07 PM
RCA 15X
Everthing goes at once, maybe it's the cold weather, I have had 2 dial strings break and no my little RCA is having dial...Paul Philco322 — 10:26 PM
Philco 91 Schematic
Hi Dan, I can't explain this specific resistor but I have seen the use of a switch to apply B+ voltage to screen gri...RodB — 09:36 PM
6TPZ and 5TPO Radio Help
I suspect it's been repaired before. And I suspect whoever repaired it, wanted to re-use old transistors' pin stubs in o...morzh — 09:24 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 10393 online users. [Complete List]
» 3 Member(s) | 10390 Guest(s)
AvatarAvatarAvatar

>